How Leaders Lift Others

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Mark Cole:
I’m Mark Cole and today John Maxwell is going to be sharing about leaders that lift others. He’s gonna be teaching you on ways that you can be that lifter that we talked about. As he shares this lesson, I hope that you as a leader can begin to see more and see before. I’m gonna be sitting down with my co host Traci Morrow today and we’re gonna discuss how you and I can apply what John teaches today to our life and how we can lift others around us and make a difference for them. If you’d like to watch this episode on YouTube or download the bonus resource, you can go to maxwellpodcast.com/leaderslift now get ready. We’re going up. John’s going to lift us, and then you’re going to lift others. Here is John Maxwell.

John Maxwell:
Today I want to talk to you about one of the attributes and contributions that leaders give other people. And that’s what makes leadership so important. I would like to talk to you about the fact that leadership lift others. In other words, wherever you see a leader, the people around that leader will always go to higher ground. Now, we’ve heard the expression that it’s lonely at the top. But I’ve always said that a good leader never says that, because think about it for a moment. If you’re at the top all by yourself, you didn’t lift anybody. You didn’t bring anybody to the top with you.

John Maxwell:
In fact, if you’re only at the top by yourself, you’re really not a leader. Honestly, you’re. You’re just a hiker. Leaders lift other people, people that live a fulfilling life. They value people and they add value to those people. Now that’s what I’m talking about when I’m saying lifting others. If you as a leader value people and you add value to people, trust me, my friend, without any doubt, you will lift other people. I’ve often said that when you have a great dream and you have a great team, then all of a sudden you can realize everything that you want to accomplish.

John Maxwell:
Now, I’ve known those who had a big dream and a bad team, and that’s a nightmare. So how do we do this? How do I lift others? How do you lift others? Number one. I think to lift other people, it starts with you. I think you have to have a desire to become great. You have to have a desire inside of you to do great things. I can still remember as a very young Leader in my 20s, I came to the conclusion that I wanted to make a difference. I really did, that I wanted to make a difference in my life. I wanted to make a difference in your life.

John Maxwell:
I wanted to make a difference in the people’s lives around me. And I had this desire. It was a passion of mine. Napoleon Hill said, the starting point of all achievement is desire. I believe that with all of my heart. I have found that great people, great leaders, you don’t have to motivate them. You don’t have to say, hey, get up, get out of bed, get into the game. They already have that passion.

John Maxwell:
They already have that desire. And so because I had this great desire, this desire to be great, I went to one of my mentors. His name was Elmer. I call him affectionately E.T. and I go to E.T. and I ask him, how do I become great? What he said to me that day was life changing. And for a while, 50 years of my life, I’ve been following those words. Here’s what he said.

John Maxwell:
If you want to become great, go to great events, seek out great people, ask great questions, read great books, find great mentors. And then he said, above all, attempt to do great things. When ET told me that 50 years ago, I marked those words. I said, that’s exactly what I’m going to do. I’m going to go to great events, I’m going to seek out great people, I’m going to ask great questions, I’m gonna read great books, I’m gonna find great mentors in my life, and I’m gonna attempt to do great things. If you want to lift others, the first thing you wanna do is just have a desire inside of you to be great. The second characteristic I think that you need to possess is you need to do what my mentor Elmer Towns told me to do as a very young leader. Go to where people go.

John Maxwell:
I have discovered that this is the secret to having a faster pace on my success journey. When I was in my late 20s, I wrote a lesson that has been life changing for many people about how to create a growth environment. In it, I just simply say, listen carefully. A growth environment is a place where others are ahead of you, where you’re continually challenged, where your focus is forward, where the atmosphere is affirming, where you’re often out of your comfort zone, where you wake up excited, where failure is not your enemy, where others are growing, where people desire change, and where growth is modeled and expected. Those are the 10 things that make a great growth environment. I was looking at those characteristics of a growth environment and all of a sudden it hit me. 5 of the 10 very essential items to have a growth environment in your life are having great people around you. Others are ahead of you, the atmosphere is affirming, others are growing.

John Maxwell:
People desire change. Growth is modeled and expected. Five out of the ten are specifically about great people. Mark Cole, the CEO of my companies, calls it the power of proximity. He talks about the fact that if you really want to do something great, you’ve got to be around great people because there is a contagiousness that happens when you’re around those type of people. And so I’ve looked at myself and I’ve asked myself many times, how did I become great? And I’d have to say without any doubt, I not only had a desire to be great, but I put myself around great people. So if you really want to lift others up, you have to have a desire to be great and you have to go where the great people go. Where are the great people? Thirdly, if you really want to be great and be a leader that can lift others, you have to do what great people do.

John Maxwell:
Many times we look at great people and we say, wow, I would like to have that title. I like to have that position, I like to have that money, I’d like to have that influence. And we don’t realize that all those things that we want are a result of what great people do every day. The things that we don’t even see. The hidden disciplines that keep people doing the great things every day so that their greatness shows when they’re out in public. Okay, we’re talking about how do we become leaders that lift others. And we’ve talked about so far three things. We’ve talked about how important it is for us to have a desire to be great.

John Maxwell:
We have talked about go where great people go and then do what great people do. Now I’m gonna talk to you about number four, be unforgettable. You see, in every organization there are just a lot of people. So how do you and I distinguish ourself? I mean, how do we get out of the people pile until they see us and they notice us? And what I wanna share with you today is something that’s very important and it’s just life changing. If you wanna get out of the people pile, just commit your life to living a life beyond expectations. I want you to exceed expectations. I want you to set your bar, your personal bar, your productivity bar, your life conduct bar. I want you to set it high.

John Maxwell:
So I want to encourage you in your life to live a life that says, I exceed the expectations of other people around me. You see, when we look at successful people, what we normally do is we see what they have accomplished, the tangible things on the outside. But I am here to tell you that greatness begins on the inside. First, I am always going to treat people better than they treat me. And I’m gonna choose sowing over reaping. I’m always gonna sow seeds of goodness into people’s life. You see, most people, they get up and they look at life on that day and they say, I wonder what life is going to bring to me today. I wonder what it’s gonna give me.

John Maxwell:
I wonder what I’m gonna get out of life. That’s how they think. I never think about reaping. I always think about sowing. In fact, the success of my day is determined by the seeds I sow, not by the harvest, not by the harvest that I want to reap. So I’m gonna constantly do more for others than they do for myself. I’m gonna constantly be greater on the inside than I’m on the outside. Now, I’m preparing you all the things I’ve given you.

John Maxwell:
I’m preparing you to lift other people. So, number six, live out your great vision. Now, what I mean by living out your great vision, it’s one thing to tell others about your vision, but it’s another thing to show others your vision. When I tell you my vision, I’m a vision caster. But when I show you my vision, I become a vision character. And when I can show and tell my vision, I become what I call a vision champion. And great people are attracted by great success. So my credibility as a leader isn’t what I say I can do.

John Maxwell:
It’s what I actually do. When a person sees the vision that you have created, they buy into it so quickly because now they get to be a participant of that vision. And so let me close with this thought. The title of this lesson is how leaders Lift Others. And I just want you to know that when you start lifting others, when you start taking people up the mountain, you not only take them to levels they’ve never been on, but guess what? You go on those same levels. You can’t take people up the mountain without going up the mountain yourself. So when you lift others, you lift yourself. When you lift yourself, you must intentionally lift others.

John Maxwell:
Take the trip together. Never take it alone. If you’ll do that, you’ll be a leader that blesses others. You’ll be a leader that lifts others. And you will be a leader like me, who will look back and say, my greatest accomplishment was what I did in lifting up the people, the leaders around me.

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Mark Cole:
Hey, welcome back. I tried to get Traci to sing Lord, lift us up where we belong, but our love lift us up where we belong, but she didn’t play along today, so. But maybe that song now is stuck in your mind and after you heard John Teacher, you’re gonna go to Spotify and listen to that song. John did make a great statement here, Traci, that I wanna go with. He says, greatness begins on the inside first. And I know that’s we’re talking about lifting others, but you cannot give what you do not have. You can’t lift others if you’re down. You can’t encourage others if you’re discouraged.

Mark Cole:
So really, I love that in this lesson of how to lift others. I’m glad that John challenges us. It starts with lifting ourselves.

Traci Morrow:
Yeah, it absolutely does. And I just want to say, podcast listeners, you’re welcome for not singing. Okay. So leaders lift others. And I think, Mark, that there are so many decisions that a leader makes, but this is perhaps one of the most important decisions that a leader makes to lift others. So can you share with us an example from your leadership journey where this decision was critical?

Mark Cole:
Yeah, I think that I have many because I’ve been now on John’s team for a long time. I can remember Traci just one time indelibly in my mind. We were in Houston, Texas. Our business had just had the worst event, five financially. We lost $2 million on that event. It was poorly attended. The speakers that we got were not on brand. They misused the language that John would want from stages.

Mark Cole:
They misrepresented principles of what it takes to be a servant leader. It was a dark day in our Life. Back in 2004, we jump on a plane to Houston, Texas, because there’s 1,500 people waiting for John to speak in Houston, Texas. On the way, we get a call that if all that I just shared was not enough, now we have an even bigger issue crisis in the company to deal with. And I can remember taking a call right as John was 30 seconds from getting on stage, and I was forced with saying, do I let John take the call on the news that I just heard, or do I wait till afterwards? And John looked at me and saw the pause and he said, I want to know now. And I gave him the phone. He heard the news. That was.

Mark Cole:
It was. It was very, very difficult news. He said, okay, thank you. I needed to know that. Thirty seconds later, he walks on stage and Gives one of the best talks I’ve ever heard him give at that time. I mean, the audience was wild. They were engaged, they were laughing, they were taking notes, they were crying. All the goody feely things that happens at a Maxwell event.

Mark Cole:
They give him a standing ovation. He comes off and he picks right back up on that conversation. He said, now, Mark, here’s what we gotta do with that. Here’s what we need to do with this. Can you make those call right there. That’s what we’re going to do. And I went, hold up. Give me just a minute.

Mark Cole:
What just happened? He said, what do you mean? I said, you went up there with the heaviest load I’ve ever seen on you. And I’d been with John at that point for five years. I’ve seen some heavy loads since that time, too. He said, that wasn’t those people’s problem. That wasn’t their load. And my ability to put that load right here at the side of the stage and go lift their load is my ability to either make it or not. And I went, I got a long way to go. Serious, I will take that load with me and everybody will go, what’s wrong with you? And I, you know, nothing.

Mark Cole:
I got it. No, I don’t have it. It’s all over my face. It’s all over me. I’ve watched John do that dozens of times. I, too, now, Traci, work hard that when I walk into a room, I don’t want to be fake. I don’t want to put on a facade that’s not who I am. I want to be very integrous.

Mark Cole:
At the same time, whose load am I carrying? Most of the time I have to tell myself, I’m not carrying Jake’s load. I’m not carrying Traci’s load. We have work to do in here, and that is to lift the lid, to lift the hope, to lift the inspiration of hundreds of thousands of people that will listen to this podcast episode. That’s my role. My role is not I come in here and tell you heavy things sometime, but it’s only to inspire you in how we’re getting through it. It’s not to load you and make load your load. Great leaders know whose load it is to carry, and they keep it there.

Traci Morrow:
Yeah. Wow. And knowing who is a safe person to share it with is powerful. It just, once again, is another example. Gosh, that could be a whole podcast in itself. Like, drag John in here and have him tell us what he was thinking and how he was able to separate that out right before he went on stage and hopefully that will be something that we can visit in a another podcast. But wow, that’s incredible. He goes on to say that when you have a great dream and a great team, you can realize everything that you want to accomplish.

Traci Morrow:
And I would say that my personal experience that that is so true. I have been blessed to have an incredible team of people who are in this with me, who I’ve been, I’ve just been in great teams. I’ve been blessed to be a part of your team. I have been blessed to be a part of some really great team. Take a minute. Because I know that along with our listeners that they can learn from this also your team listens in. So talk about, Mark, how your team has been a difference maker for you and what you’ve set out to accomplish.

Mark Cole:
Well, I think great leaders truly only reach greatness, whatever that means. And however subjective that word is, I believe that’s only possible with great women and men around one person. I believe that’s true in any athletic group or athletic program or athletic team that you watch. Even if it’s golf and it’s that one person that’s getting all the TV time. The number of people that speaks into the swing and speaks into the putting techniques and the amount of people that is required for greatness to be achieved is staggering to me. Our team does listen to this, our leadership team specifically, they start many of our weekly meetings by listening to myself and John and this podcast. And I would say to you guys listening to this podcast, my ability to lead John Maxwell’s legacy, my ability to lead seven multimillion dollar companies, my ability to right now, today, know that just above my head on the first floor of this building that we’re. And there are big decisions, big leadership conversations happening.

Mark Cole:
And knowing that they’re happening well is what allows me to focus 100%, by the way, and not carry that as a load and lift the hopes, the aspirations, the competence, the effectiveness of our podcast listeners. It is a team of people. I mean, let’s distill it on down, Traci, into this environment that we’re in right now. If I didn’t see Jake and Wade on the other side of the camera, you and I could be having a lovely conversation. But it would not affect tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. The leader’s responsibility to lift goes beyond just let me motivate and help inspire everybody else. It is to lift the load of the people that’s lifting your load. It’s to come in I spent all of 2023 talking about cash, deficit spending money, how we were going to spend money.

Mark Cole:
I spent literally every meeting I had addressing cash is short, cash is this. And I started out 2024 and I said, guys, I won’t run another meeting like that. Some of those meetings are going to have to happen, but another leader is going to have to do it. Because this year my conversations are going to be liftings. They’re going to lift us. And I think a leader needs to understand our responsibility is to lift the load of the people that are lifting our load. Again, that’s why John says it starts with you. You’ve got to recognize the beauty around you, the people around you, the impact around you, so that you can bring a message that will inspire them as they carry the heavy load.

Traci Morrow:
So let’s dive into what that looks like. How do we lift others? And John said it starts with you. And he gives great quote from Elmer Towns or who we hear him refer to lovingly as ET and in this he talks about going yourself, leading by example, but also taking your teams to great. If you want to become great, go to great events, listen to great people, read great books, ask great questions, all the greats. And so how, if you could just talk personally about how going and doing these things yourself has grown you personally, but also what have you seen it do for the growth of lifting your team?

Mark Cole:
I think the greatest piece of advice that John gives us in this lesson after start with yourself is to go where great people go. And it comes from the Elmer Towns quote that says, if you want to become great, go to great events. But then this statement, seek out great leaders. And Traci, I will tell you, the way that I have led over the last 14 years as the CEO of this organization is not because of education. I talk about that often. It’s not because of training. I talk about that often. It is because who I have surrounded myself with for the last 24 years.

Mark Cole:
Everybody around me believes that better days are ahead. Everybody around me believes there’s greatness within us. Everybody around us talks about the great opportunities of impact that we can have even today. That’s why John and I have become and we’re finishing up what has been just a bitter yet again bitter political season. Bitter. Anybody glad to be watching TV without all those ads again? I mean, are y’all glad for that? Because here’s what we’ve done. We have become how much lower can we push the other person down to make us look like we’re not as low as what we really are. Rather than lifting people up to show them how big we are, we think we gotta push them down so that we don’t seem quite as bad, rather than lifting people up to show them how good we are as well.

Mark Cole:
It’s a complete opposite. Who you surround yourself with, podcast viewers, podcast families. If you’re viewing, you see me leaning forward. Who you surround yourself with, who you allow to shape your thinking is making a difference on whether you’re lifting people or tearing them down. Who you support affects you, who you listen to, who you ask questions of. I just want to challenge. And I’m speaking to the believers here, the choir, so to speak. Cause you’re tuned into this podcast.

Mark Cole:
We have got to do the effort of putting ourselves environments that will lift us. Starts with you. Yes, but go to where great people are. Get around people that lift your thinking, not drain your thinking. Go to where people are. John and I do these mentoring sessions with companies. We have about four or five companies that we do monthly calls, teaching and then Q and A. And I’m always inspired when we’re on the phone with a group of people and there’s constant questions, there’s constant leaning in wanting access.

Mark Cole:
And those of you that listen to our podcast and you subscribe to it, I hope you’re subscribed. If you haven’t, go subscribe. You are surrounding yourself. And my commitment to you is every, every, every week, every episode, we’re going to add value to you, lift you, in other words, so you’ll lift others. This is a lifting podcast.

Traci Morrow:
And you know, as you were saying that, I was just thinking, you know, for the people who sometimes you see who seem a little hopeless, and I’m talking to our listeners here, it might be a good idea in a non threatening way. But just to your friends who just feel like everything is kind of hopeless, you may want to say, hey, there’s a great guy I listen to. His name’s John Maxwell. I’m going to share a podcast with you that’s full of hope. So maybe that you can share that kind of high road thinking with them. If maybe they’ve never heard of John, they can come and have a listen to this podcast. Shameless plug. But I’m just saying that because I would have never known about John if someone didn’t say, hey, you’ve got to listen to this guy.

Traci Morrow:
Now. There was no podcast back in the day, back in 1991. They shared a cassette tape with me, but that was a friend who heard me wanting more out of Life. And they shared a cassette tape with me. You can easily share a podcast with a friend.

Mark Cole:
Traci. Traci, before you do that, because I just mentioned the political season we just finished and you mentioned high road leadership. I want to challenge you. And you know what? We’ll make this a special. This. This week we try to give you a special that will challenge you to do a next step from this podcast. We’ll make it a special, but we created this High Road Leadership Online course, and I agree with Traci. Find somebody that needs to be lifted in your world.

Mark Cole:
Maybe it’s a boss you’re working for. A boss you’re working for, somebody that’s not lifting very well. Maybe it’s a co worker, maybe it’s a family member. Find somebody and say, would you do an experiment with me for the next four weeks? For the next four weeks, would you listen to the Maxwell leadership podcast with me? And let’s compare notes and let’s lift one another and by the way, put it sweet in the pot. Tell them if they’ll listen to the podcast with you for four weeks, you will buy them the High Road Leadership online course. It’s $199, but buy it for them and give them a model on how to lift their thinking into high road leadership. I promise you that will be the gift that keeps on giving. And a family member, a coworker, a boss is worth that $199 investment, trust me.

Mark Cole:
By the way, you can go to the Show Notes and we’ll have a link there. Use the, use the code word podcast and that’ll get you that discount.

Traci Morrow:
You’re welcome, everybody, for just bringing that up and spurring on Mark to generosity. So John Talked about the 10 things that the 10 things that make a great growth environment. Go through those slowly and print out your bonus resource. But he quoted you, Mark, and referenced your quote about the power of proximity. Can you just unpack for just a minute? That superpower for us and what that can do for. For our audience. The power of proximity.

Mark Cole:
Yeah, it’s a little bit carrying on what I said. Find great people and then get around them. Some time ago, John, I’d used that word with John over 10 years ago. I’d felt like that my responsibility to John and what John has done for the world would require me to be available to John. And John and I both have a strong foundation of faith. And so there’s a biblical story of two great leaders back in Israel, and it was Elisha and Elijah. And Elisha connected himself to Elijah and Said where you go, I will go. And when you stop, I’ll stop.

Mark Cole:
I will go with you wherever you go. And the two words that comes to me from that is availability. Where you go, I’ll go. And proximity. I’ll be right there with you. And so I kind of made that commitment to John and then that commitment, it’s more than just presence. I’m in proximity to John in presence. Know what he is passionate about.

Mark Cole:
I’m passionate about, what he gets excited about, I’m excited about. The power of proximity is more than just presence. It’s in melding together ambitions, it’s unifying priorities. It’s pooling resources so that you can begin to use and move in the right direction, in the same direction in a power of proximity, with proximity. And there’s power in that. And so I would challenge all of you that has an executive assistant or a right hand person. I would really challenge you to get in and define what proximity looks like to you. What are the areas that you want? Proximity.

Mark Cole:
What are the areas that you want similar? And where are the areas to where there is autonomy? Really define those and you’ll find great power in proximity.

Traci Morrow:
Okay, that is powerful. And you may want to rewind that and listen to that one more time to take those notes because that is a great model for proximity and the power of proximity. I want to jump to number four where he talked about be unforgettable because I would love for you to help people with this. I believe that this is such a powerful difference maker. John talks about getting out of the people pile and committing your life to living a life beyond expectations. Why do you think this is just so hard for people in general, but especially for leaders? Why do so many, so many people hear John say this, getting out of the people pile and being unforgettable, but they seem to miss like the heart of the message of service because this sets you apart. This really is such a difficult thing to master. But it’s really more simple.

Traci Morrow:
But so few people do it. Can you just help people with this a little bit? Because it is a difference maker?

Mark Cole:
Yeah. I think the reason that people don’t do it is because it’s not easy. It really is simple, but it’s just not easy. Being unforgettable really is a simple thing. What’s everybody else doing? And let me do the exact opposite in a way that’ll stand out. I can remember my little girl Macy before. I’m going to use a couple of personal stories to show unforgettable John’s got a great story about being unforgettable with John Wooden, his mentor. I’ve got a couple of things I could show you to be unforgettable in my climb toward more responsibility in John’s organization.

Mark Cole:
But I’ll camp out just a couple of minutes on personal unforgettable moments. My daughter Macy, before she got cool and realized that being cool meant that you had to be like everybody else, My daughter loved to stand out. She was a cheerleader second grade. Every time she had a chance, she was. When there wasn’t a requirement to do a routine, Macy was making up her own cheers. When the music started, she had a new dance every time. And people would literally, when the cheerleaders weren’t cheering, their eyes would all go to Macy and she would just be carrying a show on for everybody. Became unforgettable.

Mark Cole:
They mentioned that when she was in 12th grade and became the cheer captain of her high school’s team, that her ability to entertain and bring cheer started at second grade when she made up her own routines. She was unforgettable in how that she was so enjoying bringing cheer to a game that the. We went to a Macy Cole cheer show and a football game broke out. I mean, it was. We were going for the cheerleader to see what she would do. Kids do that and they have this way of creating unforgettable moments that we as adults can go, wow, do you remember when you did this? Do you remember when you do that? It’s whatever they. What they say sometimes. I mean, my grandson Ryder, when he came to live with us at four, he used to say, paints, Mimay, I need my paints on.

Mark Cole:
His paints. To this day, we still ask him, does he have his paints on? It’s just this unforgettable little thing that happens. My grandsons, I’m doing due dates right now with them. And they always say, hey, gee, Paul, can we do a due date in the fast car? And will you put on our song? They all have a song that’s different. And when we go on a due date with them, the first thing they want to do is ride in the fast car. They want me to stomp it. I try to stay in the speed limit, so I stomp it from 35 to 55. They want me to stomp it.

Mark Cole:
They want to feel that rush. And then they say, gee, Paul, put on our song. They will for the rest of their life know that them and their grandfather has a song and that matters to them. That’s something very simple. But it’s not easy. I’m waking up every day thinking, what can I do to give these kids a handle to hold onto when difficult times hit? As leaders, when we give hope, you’re literally just trying to give others a handle that when the hurricane winds come or when the rising tide comes roaring in, they have something to hold on to that will lift them above the problems that we’re all going to have at some point in our life. Life.

Traci Morrow:
I love that. I love that this has been a great lesson. And I think out of all these five steps, that is a great one for leaders that they can jump right in and get to start gets to start to work on. How can I jump out of the people pile?

Mark Cole:
Yeah. Yeah. Hey you, you lift us podcast family when you give us quotes or give us places where we inspired you, where we lifted you you when you ask questions. We love our family talking back to us. And so this week Sheila listened to the podcast Mindset Matters. Great podcast by the way. We’ll put that in the show notes and this is what Sheila said. I just wanted to take a moment to express how much your latest podcast episode on Mindset Matters has impacted my life as a leader.

Mark Cole:
The insights and practical steps you shared have truly transformed the way I approach leadership. Your emphasis on intentional thinking and clarity has made a significant difference in my effectiveness and purpose. Thank you for the invaluable guidance, Sheila. Thank you for the valuable feedback. You lifted me. You lifted me and gave me hope. Thanks to all of you. I appreciate it.

Mark Cole:
Hey, go make a difference because everyone deserves to be led. Well.

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